{"id":2564,"date":"2009-06-29T11:06:09","date_gmt":"2009-06-29T10:06:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.soton.ac.uk\/keepit\/?p=245"},"modified":"2009-06-29T11:06:09","modified_gmt":"2009-06-29T10:06:09","slug":"eating-our-own-dogfood-yes-we-can","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/generic.wordpress.soton.ac.uk\/test-media\/2009\/06\/29\/eating-our-own-dogfood-yes-we-can\/","title":{"rendered":"Eating our own dogfood? Yes we can!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-247 alignright\" title=\"Eating your own dog food\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.soton.ac.uk\/keepit\/files\/2009\/06\/eat-dogfood-crop.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"228\" height=\"200\" \/>Having been <a title=\"Eating our own dogfood? Diary, June 26, 2009 \" href=\"http:\/\/blog.soton.ac.uk\/keepit\/2009\/06\/26\/eating-our-own-dogfood\/\" target=\"_self\">questioned<\/a> about whether or how we might preserve our project outputs in the form of blogs, slideshows, videos, some colleagues in the EPrints developer team have revealed how they are rising to the challenge and creating tools to support inclusion of new online content forms in repositories.<\/p>\n<p>Chris Gutteridge, who first raised the question, offers his initial thoughts and suggestions:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Twitter and WordPress are not very compatible with the repository model. I&#8217;m not sure what the solution is there, beyond keeping a local record of the data even if the primary source is on 3rd party servers. It creates the interesting idea of &#8220;growing&#8221; eprint records, where a record could be &#8220;every blog post from XXX&#8221; or the twitter user &#8220;Y&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Youtube and slideshare, on the other hand present a different challenge. They provide a damn useful service, which is easy streaming slides\/video and easy to embed in your own site. I think that we can address this from two directions:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Improve the functionality of repositories to lure the data back.\u00a0Streaming FLV (Adobe Flash) video for EPrints (not too hard to do if you limit\u00a0the formats accepted), and HTML slideshowy goodness from PPT files\u00a0(cue <a title=\"The Desktop Repository that's Already There, RepositoryMan blog, Jun 14, 2009\" href=\"http:\/\/repositoryman.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/desktop-repository-thats-already-there.html\" target=\"_self\">Les (Carr) and his scary OSX scripts<\/a>, perhaps?) These would be cool\u00a0features anyway.<\/li>\n<li>Encourage the use of something the equal-opposite of the\u00a0official_url field (option on related URL?) to indicate the social\u00a0media\/web 2.0 (?) URL for the item. That way it can be included\u00a0in the metadata for all time and if youtube goes away, people\u00a0referencing the youtube URL could still be resolved to another\u00a0location.&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>On video and slide functionality, two repositories are making progress: <a title=\"KeepIt repositories initial survey EdShare, Diary, May 19, 2009\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.soton.ac.uk\/keepit\/2009\/05\/19\/keepit-repositories-initial-survey-edshare\/\" target=\"_self\">EdShare<\/a> and Language Box (&#8220;where students and teachers of languages can publish and share their learning materials, resources and links on the web&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p>EPrints project developer Patrick McSweeney explains: &#8220;edshare and language box have been pitching for\u00a0some time that the reason people use these services is because they offer\u00a0something the repository doesnt. We&#8217;ve had a go at adding these things (to\u00a0language box):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>powerpoint in <a href=\"http:\/\/languagebox.eprints.org\/941\/\" target=\"_self\">slideshare<\/a> style<\/li>\n<li>video in <a href=\"http:\/\/languagebox.eprints.org\/56\/\" target=\"_self\">youtube<\/a> style<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&#8220;the server does all the conversions itself using eprints convert plugins\u00a0written by me and seb (Sebastien Francois). the one for videos uses is a bit of hack to make a\u00a0job queue for 3.1.x . we use Mencoder (open source) to do the video\u00a0conversion and im yet to find a video file it cant handle. The powerpoint\u00a0one uses open office to do the conversions just like a normal convert\u00a0plugin. It also works for docs. The reason the one in the link looks a\u00a0bit grainy is because flash isnt displaying the image at its native\u00a0resolution.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;currently displays in coverflow (so if you have multiple files it does the\u00a0left and right stuff) but i personally think it looks poo.\u00a0If you are at all interested I would be very up for making a modified\u00a0version of these plugins so that they dont use coverflow but allow you to\u00a0do a preview inline still with a bit of Javascript.&#8221; (contact:\u00a0pm5 AT ecs.soton.ac.uk)<\/p>\n<p>Sebastien adds: &#8220;If anything, we&#8217;ve only struggled to present a wide variety of formats (slides, flash video player&#8230;) on a single interface (on the summary page). Those web 2.0 sites have good interfaces but they only support one format type.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;On EdShare, you can &#8220;share a link&#8221;, what we do is wget-ting the content and we cache it. We then offer the visitors to view either versions, like google images does: cf. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.edshare.soton.ac.uk\/1233\/\">http:\/\/www.edshare.soton.ac.uk\/1233\/<\/a>, click on &#8216;View&#8217;\u00a0below any &#8220;Internet Links&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Chris Gutteridge, who started the debate, sums up: &#8220;For both these examples, embedding code + some reassurance that the embedded media would continue to work for several years would be nice!&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Having been questioned about whether or how we might preserve our project outputs in the form of blogs, slideshows, videos, some colleagues in the EPrints developer team have revealed how they are rising to the challenge and creating tools to support inclusion of new online content forms in repositories. 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